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IDProjectCategoryLast Update
0026075AI War 2Bug - GameplayJan 10, 2022 10:00 am
Reporterdeadone77 Assigned ToBadgerBadger  
Severitymajor 
Status resolvedResolutionfixed 
Product VersionBeta 3.774 Metal Flows 
Fixed in VersionBeta 3.782 Smooth Reloading 
Summary0026075: Endgame-endless threat per second
DescriptionAt the start of this save all is still good, but if i take one of the 2 planets (Flame Outside V, Elraine) in the top middle, endless threat will start every 5 seconds.
This can still be triggered in 3.781.
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deadone77

Jan 7, 2022 2:55 am

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BadgerBadger

Jan 7, 2022 6:47 pm

manager   ~0063698

This hunter force is spawning due to the TaggedUnitIncomeData code. Unclear why there's so much of it...

Chris_McElligottPark

Jan 9, 2022 3:57 pm

administrator   ~0063720

Badger, it's generating infinite force at a very fast rate against the Dark Zenith Epistyle that is allied to the player. It's also generating what looks like infinite force at a smaller rate against the MDC that the player has.

I don't think that infinitely-generating stuff is the way to go, but rather if it's up to some cap that makes sense I suppose. Also, if it's something that the player controls and can deal with (the MDC), we should probably let them know what is happening so that it's not opaque.

I am not familiar with the TaggedUnitIncomeData code or when it was added or why, so I don't have a good solution in mind. Not sure if you have any ideas? This seems like mostly a problem if the player has strong allies, but it's hard to be sure.

BadgerBadger

Jan 9, 2022 4:26 pm

manager   ~0063723

Last edited: Jan 9, 2022 4:29 pm

So this was added a long time ago to give the AI some bonus resources against certain objectives. It was added in the DLC2 timeframe to A. give the AI a mechanism to counteract the DZ and B. to replace the "AI gets bonus exo-strikes against MDCs" with a less obvious mechanism.

The problem is that the AI should not be getting a ton of ships, just a few. This problem seems to be a recent breakage.

Chris_McElligottPark

Jan 9, 2022 9:31 pm

administrator   ~0063725

Thanks!

* The "tagged unit income" that was a hunter mechanic added about a year ago has been removed for now.
** Essentially, it could result in a variety of rare late-game situations where there were infinitely-spawning units, or just an unbalanced number in general, although that was probably pretty rare.
** Overall we've added a lot of other mechanics (border aggression, wormhole invasions) that go after the same concept in a more interesting way, so we'll probably re-implement a hunter mechanic against specific targets in a fashion like that.
** For now, simply getting rid of a source of infinite spawns seemed like the first step.

deadone77

Jan 10, 2022 5:44 am

reporter   ~0063732

FYI, there a 2 Dark Zenith Epistyle factions in this game, one is allied to the player and one is not
and Extragalactic forces are set to IGNORE the player+allies but not other minor factions.
Maybe the AI is confuse becauze against one Dark Zenith Epistyle it can spawn Extragalactic forces and against the other not.

Chris_McElligottPark

Jan 10, 2022 10:00 am

administrator   ~0063733

That might be part of it, yeah -- this is quite a useful save, thank you!

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
Jan 7, 2022 2:55 am deadone77 New Issue
Jan 7, 2022 2:55 am deadone77 File Added: 3774abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwx.save
Jan 7, 2022 6:47 pm BadgerBadger Note Added: 0063698
Jan 9, 2022 3:55 pm Chris_McElligottPark Assigned To => BadgerBadger
Jan 9, 2022 3:55 pm Chris_McElligottPark Status new => assigned
Jan 9, 2022 3:57 pm Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0063720
Jan 9, 2022 4:26 pm BadgerBadger Note Added: 0063723
Jan 9, 2022 4:29 pm BadgerBadger Note Edited: 0063723
Jan 9, 2022 9:31 pm Chris_McElligottPark Status assigned => resolved
Jan 9, 2022 9:31 pm Chris_McElligottPark Resolution open => fixed
Jan 9, 2022 9:31 pm Chris_McElligottPark Fixed in Version => Beta 3.782 Smooth Reloading
Jan 9, 2022 9:31 pm Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0063725
Jan 10, 2022 5:44 am deadone77 Note Added: 0063732
Jan 10, 2022 10:00 am Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0063733