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| ID | Project | Category | Date Submitted | Last Update | |
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| 0024045 | AI War 2 | Bug - Gameplay | Oct 29, 2020 3:24 pm | Dec 23, 2020 1:21 pm | |
| Reporter | Strategic Sage | Assigned To | Chris_McElligottPark | ||
| Status | resolved | Resolution | fixed | ||
| Product Version | Beta 2.622 Hangar Ship Diversity | ||||
| Fixed in Version | 2.709 Obedient Engineers | ||||
| Summary | 0024045: Insubordinate Engineers | ||||
| Description | Here's a good repeatable version of one of the scenarios where this comes up. There are two support fleets in the Rijsbergen system near the wormhole to Boehm. They have a bunch of engineers around them. The engineers refuse to assist the support factories in building ships, even if repeatedly and specifically ordered to via right-clicking. | ||||
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Thanks for the reminder on it. Not sure what is up with it right now. |
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After discussion on Discord (thanks ArnaudB and Metrekec in particular) it appears the problem here is related to Pursuit/Auto-Work being toggled off. I don't always want that on for reasons of managing how much metal is being spent at once. This explains why this isn't an issue for most players, because automated engineers is certainly the more popular approach. |
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To make sure I understand: if you have pursuit mode off, then engineers won't do work if you give them direct orders? Engineers have been something that a variety of us programmers have touched over time, and I always leave mine in pursuit mode myself, so I have not paid them much mind. I expect the following behaviors, but it sounds like several of these diverge from what you say: 1. If an engineer is not in pursuit mode, that it helps whatever is within reach of it, costing you metal. 2. If an engineer is paused, then it does nothing, not costing you metal. 3. If an engineer is given an order while paused, it still does nothing, which would seem insubordinate. 4. If an engineer is in pursuit mode, it does whatever it wants in the absence of your own orders. 5. If an engineer is in pursuit mode, but you gave it an order, it does what you said instead of what it wants. When its orders are done, it goes back to doing what it wants. Sounds like this is not how it works, though? |
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I've never had problems giving orders to engineers. |
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I have not, either. But I do also have them in the mode where they are in pursuit mode. |
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Thanks for the clarification Chris. 2 and 3 - I assume by paused you mean on 'Hold Fire'? If so, that's what I would expect as well. 4 works as described and I have no issue there. 5 does not happen in the uploaded save. If it is on pursuit and I give it an order, most of them go do what they want and ignore what I said. 1 happens occasionally but not most of the time. I.e. when I load up the save I have a bunch of engineers in range of the support factories, two are assisting briefly but they soon stop. The others do nothing. But there is also: 6. An Engineer is not in pursuit mode, and is given specific orders to assist a structure. It chooses to do nothing instead. These should be very easily verifiable with the save, I get the same result every time I load it regardless of program or system reboot. |
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Guh, sorry about the all the extra links, didn't mean to format it that way. |
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No worries, I just edited it to remove the # signs. It catches everyone. And yep, 2 and 3 I meant hold fire. On those other cases, that does sound maddening. I'll take a look on that soon. Thanks for the added clarification of when it doesn't work! |
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Additional notes for engineers: it seems like engineers not in FRD mode seem to not be "optimal" in terms of when they assist construction of units whenever both a mobile factory and regular stationary factory are on the same planet. This is very easy to see during the start of the game. furthermore: engineers seem to stop "prioirty build" turrets at 90% construction. When you select combat engineers and tell them to build battlestation turrets with right click, they seem to stop building at 90%, and switch to a different target and refuse to build. Check the save below to give it a field test. |
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Major difference! Thanks! * When engineers are given wormhole orders, they are now actually obedient. * When engineers are explicitly told to assist a factory, they will now do so regardless of the factory type. ** Previously there was a bug that only made them work with stationary factories that way, not mobile support ones. * When engineers are not in Pursuit mode, they will now gang-up assist a factory within their assist range, if available. ** It doesn't matter if they spread out their assistance or not, since 10 engineers assisting 1 factory while a second factory just does normal speed is equal to 5 engineers each helping those two factories. ** Previously, engineers had to be in pursuit mode to automatically choose to help a factory. * Fixed several bugs with engineers helping with the construction of things in general, which led them to stop building things before they were actually finished, etc. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| Oct 29, 2020 3:24 pm | Strategic Sage | New Issue | |
| Oct 29, 2020 3:24 pm | Strategic Sage | File Added: EngineersIssue.save | |
| Oct 29, 2020 3:24 pm | Strategic Sage | File Added: EngineersIssue.savemet | |
| Oct 29, 2020 3:55 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Assigned To | => Chris_McElligottPark |
| Oct 29, 2020 3:55 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Status | new => assigned |
| Nov 21, 2020 2:15 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Note Added: 0059720 | |
| Nov 21, 2020 2:16 pm | Strategic Sage | Note Added: 0059721 | |
| Nov 21, 2020 4:07 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Note Added: 0059729 | |
| Nov 21, 2020 4:15 pm | BadgerBadger | Note Added: 0059730 | |
| Nov 21, 2020 6:08 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Note Added: 0059732 | |
| Nov 21, 2020 6:41 pm | Strategic Sage | Note Added: 0059737 | |
| Nov 21, 2020 6:42 pm | Strategic Sage | Note Added: 0059738 | |
| Nov 21, 2020 8:15 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Note Edited: 0059737 | |
| Nov 21, 2020 8:16 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Note Added: 0059744 | |
| Nov 24, 2020 3:13 pm | DEMOCRACY_DEMOCRACY | File Added: engineers stop building.save | |
| Nov 24, 2020 3:13 pm | DEMOCRACY_DEMOCRACY | Note Added: 0059777 | |
| Dec 23, 2020 1:21 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Status | assigned => resolved |
| Dec 23, 2020 1:21 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Resolution | open => fixed |
| Dec 23, 2020 1:21 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Fixed in Version | => 2.709 Obedient Engineers |
| Dec 23, 2020 1:21 pm | Chris_McElligottPark | Note Added: 0060148 |
