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I'm agreed on that. I can easily tweak the both of them. I'm personally inclined to say something like 10s for this and the re-roll ARS hack, and then... I dunno on the hacking points exchange rate. 15? 20? We don't want to make it too attractive. |
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Why does the duration matter in terms of a player using it? It's a virtual non-concern for me in terms of whether to do a hack or not unless it's a massive amount of time. In terms of hacking points, I'd recommend about 25-30 with the whole future hacks are more expensive. At 15 it would be the same as a Covert Extraction and I think the ARS should be a lot harder to get science out of than that. |
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tech vault to science is 20 hack and provides the same science Also, you are consuming an ARS and not gaining the fleet advantage, so I would see it as requiring less hack points per science than covert extraction Why should ARS be harder in your opinion? Can any of you say you've ever done this hack in a game? Honestly? |
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I think it should be harder because there are always going to be spare ARS in the galaxy - you're not going to have enough energy unless severely manipulating your economy to use them all, and maybe not even then. If they are also easier to get science from than a covert extraction the default number of ARS is severely OP and should be drastically reduced. The tech boost from a vault is not an apples-to-apples comparison IMO since the primary purpose of the vault - the research upgrade - is way more valuable than a single additional ship line from an ARS. But I wouldn't be opposed to that being tweaked either. To answer your question, no I've never done an ARS-science hack. I agree with you that the hacking cost is too high; the number I recommended is just over half the current amount. |
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I've never done an ARS hack in game, getting another fleet slot, even if I used it to swap a "good" ship in it's place, was always better. If anything, I think it should be cheaper / better. |
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When I added the "ARS to science " hack it wasn't intended to be in a finished and balanced state. It was just intended to have the code in for future easy balance adjustments. I am happy to have the ARS to Science hack be buffed enough that players feel they have a good choice. |
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I think it should be more valuable than planetary covert extraction... as you'd never run out of targets to hack planet wise in the whole galaxy, so why are they choicer morsels than the ARS? |
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I already buffed this, from the notes: "Reduced cost of Convert ARS to Science." It's 20 now. |
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Decision already made, but my stance is that the very fact that covert extraction is the baseline is exactly why ARS shouldn't give as much. For game balance, capturables whose primary purpose isn't science shouldn't give more than this baseline amount; rather it should be a lesser value so you can get something out of it if you don't want to take the main thing offered. |
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(Also know issue is put to bed for now, but for discussion) Thotimx, Why would it ever be that an almost inexhaustible source (planets) of hack-> science be worth less than a very finite source (ARS). If ARS is worse conversion than covert extraction, that simply means ---I will never even in thousands of hours of AI War 2 do hack ARS for science---. |
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As for the why I've previously answered that, but it wouldn't mean it would never be worth using. Covert extraction escalates with the number of hacks done, and even if the ARS escalates as well per my proposal, there would still be points at which it was the better choice. It just wouldn't be the best choice for it initially. |
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