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IDProjectCategoryLast Update
0028317Heart Of The MachineGameplay IssueMay 22, 2024 10:11 pm
ReporterCyborg Assigned ToChris_McElligottPark  
Status resolvedResolutionfixed 
Product Version0.511 The Monday Crew 
Fixed in Version0.513 Electric Handbook 
Summary0028317: From behind bonus not always activating
DescriptionAs I understand it, the from behind bonus should activate if the enemies gun is pointed opposite your direction. Is it possible that this is only triggering when the gun is exactly 180°? I can't seem to figure out what is triggering the backstab bonus and why it doesn't work sometimes. Could it be z levels? Any event, I think anything greater than 90° is what the player is going to expect, as you are no longer technically at their right or left side.
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Chris_McElligottPark

May 21, 2024 7:37 pm

administrator   ~0068458

There's about a 60 degree cone behind the enemy. If you have some cases of it not working, I'd be interested to see.

Chris_McElligottPark

May 21, 2024 8:29 pm

administrator   ~0068464

Oh -- I also wanted to check. You are actually talking about units that have this bonus, right? If a unit is weak from behind, it says in the tooltip if that's active or if you're out of range. But this isn't a generalized bonus against all units.

In a different ticket you mentioned other units getting that bonus on you, and that's not a thing, either.

Cyborg

May 21, 2024 9:14 pm

reporter   ~0068467

Here is a photograph of Ablators. I get a different percentage on each one with the same unit upon the top of the skyscraper. I thought I was going to get a backstab bonus, not really sure why the damage amounts are different for each one. Occasionally, I get a few hundred percent damage increase. But I thought the android placements would have tactical advantages all the time. How should we be exploiting the positioning?
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Cyborg

May 21, 2024 9:15 pm

reporter   ~0068468

Feel free to delete these screenshots after you are done looking at them. They are kind of large because of the 4K.

Chris_McElligottPark

May 21, 2024 9:27 pm

administrator   ~0068474

Ablators are not weak to from-behind attacks, at all, ever. That's a specific property on some units. I'll make that more clear.

On the difference damage percentage amounts, it's because those units have different amounts of health. You're doing the same amount of damage to each of them, probably.

There is no way to exploit positioning against most enemy units. On some, sure. Some you can get a bonus from above, some from behind. It's something that varies by unit, and it tells you in the prediction tooltip for your attack if that's the case or not, and if you are getting any bonuses or failing them.

I'm planning on making this more explicit in the handbook, because a lot of tactics games -- which this is not -- have you endlessly trying to get behind every enemy. This game uses a variety of mechanics with different enemies, like some have powered armor but most don't, some are weak to backstab but most are not, some you can get a height advantage on, but most not. Some are weak to specific types of damage, others are not weak to any type of damage over another. Some are weak to specific kinds of status effects, others not. Etc.

Don't worry about the file sizes, the drive for this server has like 2 TB. :)

Chris_McElligottPark

May 22, 2024 10:11 pm

administrator   ~0068517

What I did in the other build was make it so that there's a new and key handbook entry which basically states how most units don't actually have spatial bonuses. Since many tactics game has them all the time, and this one only has it a bit of the time, that's a key clarification.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
May 21, 2024 6:50 pm Cyborg New Issue
May 21, 2024 7:37 pm Chris_McElligottPark Assigned To => Chris_McElligottPark
May 21, 2024 7:37 pm Chris_McElligottPark Status new => feedback
May 21, 2024 7:37 pm Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0068458
May 21, 2024 8:29 pm Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0068464
May 21, 2024 9:14 pm Cyborg Note Added: 0068467
May 21, 2024 9:14 pm Cyborg File Added: backstab_bonus.png
May 21, 2024 9:15 pm Cyborg Note Added: 0068468
May 21, 2024 9:27 pm Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0068474
May 22, 2024 10:11 pm Chris_McElligottPark Status feedback => resolved
May 22, 2024 10:11 pm Chris_McElligottPark Resolution open => fixed
May 22, 2024 10:11 pm Chris_McElligottPark Fixed in Version => 0.513 Electric Handbook
May 22, 2024 10:11 pm Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0068517