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0027124AI War 2Bug - GameplayApr 24, 2022 8:35 am
ReporterLord Of Nothing Assigned To 
Severityminor 
Status newResolutionopen 
Product Version5.001 First Post-Completion Tweaks 
Summary0027124: Threat Baffles me Sometimes.
DescriptionAs Puffin offered (https://discord.com/channels/240637654717300736/865219231092310066/967483324350230599):
Well, one example would be the attached save Quick. It's nothing cherrypicked, it's just the most recent save of my current human campaign. Claimed threat against humans is 724, which seems a little spicy for a normal game. But when you look at the details of that, things start to get weird. For one thing, if you look at the screen you get when you leftclick the threat counter, it claims 525 strength of that threat is visible. Which seems odd, given how little visibility I've invested in. But when you look at the details of where that threat is things get really strange. For example, there's planet Corpse. 190 threat. And the only thing it can be at that planet is the hive golem. But that golem has been there since I last saw the planet. 9304 seconds ago. And it should be, it's a guard. I checked my start of game save, it's one that was spawned at galaxy creation, I've never been to that planet, yet for some reason it and it's fleet are flagged as threat against me for the counter - but are still just sitting there.

Something similar is happening on the neighbouring planet, Dulla, which again I have never been on, but I think that damaged Dire Gravity Guardian sitting there is what's counting as the 19 threat against me. Either that or the threat against the DZ and something else is, but the numbers match better for it to be the gravity guardian. Again, I think that one is a guard that's been sitting there from the start of the game - like the golem, it appears in my start of game save if I use reveal map.

Going back to the list of threat, it claims Cobra has 31 threat against me, but if I look at the planet using reveal all I cannot find 31 strength of threat against me.
Ditto Knuth, 37 strength of claimed threat that has somehow been at that planet for over 7000 seconds in order for it to have not moved out of visibility.
Ditto Amatori, etc.

So there's something weird where lots of ships that I suspect have always been guards and have never been disturbed by me, are counted as threat against me. But they're actually behaving correctly and still just sitting around and guarding stuff.

At the left-hand malkovich, you can see the Jorm who's fireteam is marked as being against the ZA for some reason. that I mentioned.

In another save, "Misaimed Chimera", you can see on Duo there's an Exowar Chimera. It claims to not be after me, but instead after the ZA. But neither me nor the ZA have ever reached power level 2 in order to be eligable for Chimera spawns. Only the DZ have managed that yet, and indeed, the fireteam of the chimera, unlike very other ship at the planet, is marked as being against the DZ - but it's still staging with tons of anti-architrave threat.
(Going back to "Quick", there's also a hunter seeker that's marked as being against the ZA there, on Knuth, but it is also in an anti DZ fireteam and is actually staging to attack the DZ. It was probably spawned against the DZ as well, since I don't *think* the ZA have ever got to even power level 1 yet, but I'm not totally sure. So this one is just marked wrong, unlike the chimera that also seemed to be staging wrong.)

If I manage to get a replicable save of any of the other stuff I mentioned I can update.
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Lord Of Nothing

Apr 23, 2022 4:00 pm

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Misaimed Chimera.save (807,672 bytes)
Quick.save (747,253 bytes)

RocketAssistedPuffin

Apr 23, 2022 7:05 pm

reporter   ~0066327

With the change to properly make AI Guard Units not count as threat, the threat number has dropped from 724 against Humans, to only 189.

A new oddity:

Planet 'Gropp'. There are units saying they are angry against the Dark Zenith (named as 'The Goths' here), but they are waiting against a player planet? Specifically planet 'Yosuke'. There's also a clear path straight to the Dark Zenith, but they aren't taking it...they're also quite far away.

RocketAssistedPuffin

Apr 24, 2022 8:35 am

reporter   ~0066385

New discovery:

Planet 'Ory' has Dark Zenith units that say they are angry at the Architrave (which is really far away). They are staging against planet 'Prasa' adjacent which...has no Architrave?

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
Apr 23, 2022 4:00 pm Lord Of Nothing New Issue
Apr 23, 2022 4:00 pm Lord Of Nothing File Added: Misaimed Chimera.save
Apr 23, 2022 4:00 pm Lord Of Nothing File Added: Quick.save
Apr 23, 2022 4:04 pm Lord Of Nothing Description Updated
Apr 23, 2022 7:05 pm RocketAssistedPuffin Note Added: 0066327
Apr 24, 2022 8:35 am RocketAssistedPuffin Note Added: 0066385