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IDProjectCategoryLast Update
0019864AI War 2Balance IssueSep 5, 2018 7:49 pm
ReporterRocketAssistedPuffin Assigned ToBadgerBadger  
Severityminor 
Status resolvedResolutionfixed 
Product Version0.756 Retrieval of the Lost Arks 
Fixed in Version0.766 Target Equilibrium 
Summary0019864: Arks so far feel very lackluster
DescriptionThey are currently slow, though not much below Missile Corvettes.
Their range is pathetic, meaning they have to be almost touching something in order to shoot at it, coupled with poor speed means they rarely participate.
Damage is incredibly low, a MK4 Ark takes three shots to kill a MK1 Fighter. For something with 9000 Knowledge invested into it, that's very bad.

So far I feel like the only Ark worth taking is the Orchid, though even then leave it at MK1. The fact it's a super engineer makes it useful, regardless of everything else. Golems felt the same way, more a burden than a benefit, though Arks are free at least.

I'd...at least triple the damage and range. Up the speed to match Missile Corvettes, so they aren't slowing even them down (though it's a minor difference). Health seems alright.

Thanatos needs adjusting on the zombifying weapon, as said in a separate report it seems to be more of a downgrade, the damage is too low to actually zombify anything. Voidhome is intriguing but costs too much for just a single docks worth. Orchid is again the only one that seems alright, possibly because it starts with that feature unlike the others.

Just...my opinion. I just can't see these things doing much right now, though I'm aware it's their first implementation.
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Chris_McElligottPark

Jul 26, 2018 12:06 pm

administrator   ~0048081

One thing that is worth noting is that their stats were basically an initial slapped-together test set from Badger. The general concept, and then the framework, were the big things. Once I get the stats-modding stuff in there, hopefully we can make this a lot better as a group. I know you were wanting to mod some specific stats, and that would be extremely welcome, I have to say. :)

BadgerBadger

Jul 26, 2018 12:39 pm

manager   ~0048082

Yeah, this is not intended as real Stats or Balance. I just wanted to get the Ark mechanic working, and Chris (and others) can do the balance.

RocketAssistedPuffin

Jul 26, 2018 1:02 pm

reporter   ~0048089

Fair enough. What would I do if I get them to an okay level? Put it on the forums or something else?

And what would...qualify as an okay level? Something I personally feel is worth using or something else?

RocketAssistedPuffin

Jul 26, 2018 1:34 pm

reporter   ~0048092

And er, I forgot to ask: Should I wait for this stats revamp?

Chris_McElligottPark

Jul 26, 2018 1:37 pm

administrator   ~0048095

Please wait for the stats revamp or else you won't be able to set values properly. But after that, I'd say just Wild West it and get it where you like. Then we'll go from there as people get a chance to try it out. Nothing like actually trying things rather than on-papering them, particularly when it's easy to change.

RocketAssistedPuffin

Jul 26, 2018 2:53 pm

reporter   ~0048099

Fair enough. I looked at the Ark stuff and I agree: wait for revamp.

I apologise for bringing this up actually, as I should've probably known a lot of the balance stuff are placeholders. I suppose it can be marked resolved, just to get it out of the "things not done" pile. Makes that look a bit better.

Chris_McElligottPark

Jul 26, 2018 3:04 pm

administrator   ~0048100

It's probably good to have it on here just so that we don't forget it, and it's always better to bring things up rather than just assume we'll get to it. Often we're waiting to hear just that sort of feedback. :)

BadgerBadger

Jul 26, 2018 3:25 pm

manager   ~0048101

Keep in mind that you don't have to limit yourself to just doing balance with the existing weapons. If you have an inspiration for something different that the Arks can do, give it a try! If it's fun we might keep it. Or if you decide that you prefer Thanatos with the Devourer Golem's gun or with a vampire ability, go for it!

BadgerBadger

Jul 26, 2018 8:04 pm

manager   ~0048119

A few buffs in for the Arks are in, in case Chris takes a few days before his balance rework.

BadgerBadger

Sep 5, 2018 7:49 pm

manager   ~0048934

Lots of ark changes since then

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
Jul 26, 2018 11:39 am RocketAssistedPuffin New Issue
Jul 26, 2018 12:06 pm Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0048081
Jul 26, 2018 12:39 pm BadgerBadger Note Added: 0048082
Jul 26, 2018 1:02 pm RocketAssistedPuffin Note Added: 0048089
Jul 26, 2018 1:34 pm RocketAssistedPuffin Note Added: 0048092
Jul 26, 2018 1:37 pm Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0048095
Jul 26, 2018 2:53 pm RocketAssistedPuffin Note Added: 0048099
Jul 26, 2018 3:04 pm Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0048100
Jul 26, 2018 3:25 pm BadgerBadger Note Added: 0048101
Jul 26, 2018 8:04 pm BadgerBadger Note Added: 0048119
Sep 5, 2018 7:49 pm BadgerBadger Assigned To => BadgerBadger
Sep 5, 2018 7:49 pm BadgerBadger Status new => resolved
Sep 5, 2018 7:49 pm BadgerBadger Resolution open => fixed
Sep 5, 2018 7:49 pm BadgerBadger Fixed in Version => 0.766 Target Equilibrium
Sep 5, 2018 7:49 pm BadgerBadger Note Added: 0048934