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0004592Valley 1Gameplay IdeaDec 13, 2011 11:16 am
Reporterjerith Assigned ToChris_McElligottPark  
Status closedResolutionno change required 
Product Version0.516 
Summary0004592: Make potion cooldown proportional to effect.
DescriptionI have a whole lot of low-level magic potions stored up for various reasons, and I'd like to use them. However, my new character has higher magic than his predecessor, and the potions I have barely refresh half of what he can hold. I then have to wait for the entire cooldown before I can use the next one.

These low level potions would actually be useful again if I could chug them at a higher rate. I'd use twice as many of them, twice as fast, for the same effect as higher level potions.
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Chris_McElligottPark

Oct 5, 2011 9:13 am

administrator   ~0015726

This would be mildly time consuming to implement, but I think it's a good future enhancement for sure.

jerith

Oct 5, 2011 9:21 am

reporter   ~0015730

Cool, thanks.

Terraziel

Oct 5, 2011 9:33 am

reporter   ~0015733

Whilst I suppose it depends on how it interacts with potion scaling, but "half as much, twice as fast" seems like a poor idea, maybe if it was "half as much, 1.5 times as fast" that would keep you encouraged to use current level potions, rather than making the differences meaningless.

jerith

Oct 5, 2011 9:51 am

reporter   ~0015740

The differences aren't meaningless, because I still have to drink both potions and wait for the cooldown in between. (Unless I'm holding down the "drink potion" key or something.)

I don't really see a reason to encourage people to use higher-level potions over lower-level ones. You're going to be collecting potions in the regions you're exploring, so it's going to be a bit boring to run around low-level areas just to collect stuff. Additionally, having to hit harder areas with substandard potions so you can get better potions is problematic. (That's what I'm facing now.)

BobTheJanitor

Oct 5, 2011 10:03 am

reporter   ~0015743

I don't see how you're getting any use at all out of lower level potions. Mine heal only 1 HP in .516. They're just trash now, apparently.

Chris_McElligottPark

Oct 5, 2011 10:09 am

administrator   ~0015746

Just how old are these potions, Bob? Eventually they'd scale to that, but they'd have to be something like 4-5 tiers old, would be my guess.

jerith

Oct 5, 2011 10:11 am

reporter   ~0015747

This ticket is based on magic potions, about two tiers below my level. They were fine before, but now they only replenish about half my max value. Whether that's balanced is a different issue (I think it's balanced better than before, actually) but it would be nice to have old, crappy potions still be somewhat useful in the heat of battle.

BobTheJanitor

Oct 5, 2011 11:43 am

reporter   ~0015765

I want to say my potions and scrolls were maybe tier II or III, and I am about level 25. So yes, they are a fair ways lower than me, but they had been restoring enough, about half a bar or so, that I was still getting some use out of them for general exploration, and just subbing in the good stuff for bosses.

Chris_McElligottPark

Oct 5, 2011 11:46 am

administrator   ~0015766

Yeah, the balance was broken before, but we fixed it. If a tonic in FF6 still healed half your bar one you are in WoR, that would be enormously, enormously problematic, right?

BobTheJanitor

Oct 5, 2011 12:49 pm

reporter   ~0015770

I think it was just the sudden jump with the patch that caught me off guard. I'm assuming it will scale properly, something more like dropping as you level to 80% effectiveness, 50%, 30%, 10% etc. so that you will take old pots and scrolls off your bar long before they have become one-hitpoint healing wonders.

Chris_McElligottPark

Oct 5, 2011 12:50 pm

administrator   ~0015771

Yeah, it already does -- I think that Josh posted the numbers in another thread, but it's something along those lines. Anyway, all good. :)

The Mimic

Oct 5, 2011 2:22 pm

reporter   ~0015784

Kind of against this. If a Potion I heals 5% and has a cooldown 5% of normal it becomes a game of smashing the potion button over and over in combat. It'd make more sense just to combine 20 of them into a single high level potion or something. (Probably a later game feature?)

Toll

Dec 13, 2011 11:12 am

reporter   ~0017807

No more health potions, so no need for this.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
Oct 5, 2011 4:12 am jerith New Issue
Oct 5, 2011 7:41 am tigersfan Internal Weight => Feature Suggestion
Oct 5, 2011 7:41 am tigersfan Status new => considering
Oct 5, 2011 9:13 am Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0015726
Oct 5, 2011 9:21 am jerith Note Added: 0015730
Oct 5, 2011 9:33 am Terraziel Note Added: 0015733
Oct 5, 2011 9:51 am jerith Note Added: 0015740
Oct 5, 2011 10:03 am BobTheJanitor Note Added: 0015743
Oct 5, 2011 10:09 am Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0015746
Oct 5, 2011 10:11 am jerith Note Added: 0015747
Oct 5, 2011 11:43 am BobTheJanitor Note Added: 0015765
Oct 5, 2011 11:46 am Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0015766
Oct 5, 2011 12:49 pm BobTheJanitor Note Added: 0015770
Oct 5, 2011 12:50 pm Chris_McElligottPark Note Added: 0015771
Oct 5, 2011 2:22 pm The Mimic Note Added: 0015784
Dec 13, 2011 11:12 am Toll Note Added: 0017807
Dec 13, 2011 11:16 am Chris_McElligottPark Status considering => closed
Dec 13, 2011 11:16 am Chris_McElligottPark Assigned To => Chris_McElligottPark
Dec 13, 2011 11:16 am Chris_McElligottPark Resolution open => no change required
Apr 14, 2014 9:30 am Chris_McElligottPark Category Suggestion - Gameplay => Gameplay Idea